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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 16 Jul 2014, 00:29

They're all wild.
Israel is provoking them all the time (they bombarded and killed like 80 people for no reason).
Israel attacks them when see that it's getting dangerous, it's understanable, but it shouldn't happend in XXI ceuntaury. Israel has no rights to attack any country behind their borders, it's unnaceptable behaviour which should be condemned by the UN.
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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by lukwerty » 16 Jul 2014, 00:44

What are you talking about? Who first attacked was Hamas and arab extremists... Israel isn't attacking and or provoking (?!) anyone, it is just defending itself from other attacks. To be honest, Israel, like any other country in this world, has total right to attack (defend) in case its country is being attacked... what everyone knows that happens a lot in there.

And no, Israel does not attack it because it is getting dangerous, but rather because it does not accept Israel as an official State dated by ONU in 1947, so ONU shouldn't condemn Israel but defend it as well. Also, if Hamas, arabs, Al-quaeda, Taliban and others attack Israel they do have rights, otherwise Israel can't do that as a retaliation for these attacks? Interesting... very interesting.

And stop seeing CNN and BBC, because they're not reliable medias to talk about it. Both of them have a bias against Israel. Did they mention that Hamas uses palestinians as shield and also build military bases near to civilians' houses so if Israel tries to attack them and eventually hurts a civilian in the operation, they blame Israel for it? No, of course not... Did they mention as well that Israel is treating all the hurt palestinians in Jerusalem? Oh, I think not either... Well... no comments.

Just check out this video then and you'll find out in fact what's happening over there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8

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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 16 Jul 2014, 02:09

http://mashable.com/2014/07/07/violence ... -killings/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 08983.html
http://rt.com/news/172380-israel-air-strikes-gaza/
...otherwise Israel can't do that as a retaliation for these attacks? Interesting... very interesting.
You can't know who attacked first from medias. From what I know (from the people, not media) it's Israel who attacked Palestinian targets as first, because decided that they're dangerous.

Israel does what wants, look at the other news:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/n ... a-missiles

Israel bombarded Syria's Anti-Air defense FOR NO REASON, because Syria has never attacked Israel nor declared them war.

It's not about this year, it's about whole time Israel attacks other muslim countries. This is totally unnaceptable to destroy other's country defense behind their borders for no reason.

But what can we do... Israeli things that they're "chosen people" (by God), and they do what they want.
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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by lukwerty » 16 Jul 2014, 02:29

First of all, it's incredible how you generalize it all just because of some minor cases. It's called fallacy.

Oh yeah Aljazeera, an arab media... though there are many arabs who approve Israel.

And once again, Israelis aren't attacking anyone... wow, it's incredible how they change all the discourse... What a propaganda... Do you know that they kill themselves in order to gain popular power as well right? No comments. Also Israel has hit Gaza because of Hamas and its extremists... if they stop rocketting Israel then Israel will stop too. Simple.

TheGuardian, a leftish media... They don't say as well that Russia is selling a lot of missiles to Hamas and arab extremists and that Syria is practically a possesion of Russia... Do they? I bet that USA is "against" Israel... Oh yeah lol.
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It's not about this year, it's about whole time Israel attacks other muslim countries. This is totally unnaceptable to destroy other's country defense behind their borders for no reason.
No no and no... you definitely don't know what you're saying dude... Since beginning jews did not attack anyone, but protect itself from attacks and once again because muslim countries do not respect the ONU settlement of jewish people... I suggest you studying a little bit of the Israeli-Palestianian conflict before saying all of it without any plausible validity. Also, if you studied history right, you would know that jews were there and then arabs governaments did not accept it and attacked it all together in order to destroy Israel... Israel just protected itself from them and until today it's hard for them and for the western bias media accept it...

Also, if you see, Israel tried a peace agreement today, but guess what... Hamas did not accept and continued firing and attacking Israel uninterruptedly... But of course... I bet that it's Israel's fault as well, right? Oh yeah lol.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-s ... 1405336514

http://rt.com/news/172820-israel-hamas-truce-egypt/

http://rt.com/news/172728-egypt-israel-hamas-truce/

No, israelis do not believe that they're "chosen people"... you're just saying senseless things.

Anyway I won't discuss about that... simply senseless. Gonna play ee2 now... just installed it again.

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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 16 Jul 2014, 02:59

What are you talking about? I just googled the cases I knew from the other media. I'm not bookmarking everything, so I googled and opened the first link. The point it that this happened, no matter how journalists interpret it.
No, israelis do not believe that they're "chosen people"... you're just saying senseless things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people
They believe in Tanach, so they believe in it.
No no and no... you definitely don't know what you're saying dude... Since beginning jews did not attack anyone, but protect itself from attacks and once again because muslim countries do not respect the ONU settlement of jewish people...
That's just what you think...
I bet that USA is "against" Israel... Oh yeah lol.
Not "against" but then condemned that attack.
And once again, Israelis aren't attacking anyone... wow, it's incredible how they change all the discourse... What a propaganda... Do you know that they kill themselves in order to gain popular power as well right? No comments.
Over 165 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes since “Operation Protective Edge” began on Tuesday.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics ... -1.1865247

no no, of coruse not, they're not attacking anyone.

In total Isreal killed like 100x more Palestinians than Palestinians killed Israeli. No wonder why they are trying to revenge all the time. If your neighbor killed your mother, you'd try to kill him too... That's why this conflict will never end.
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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by lukwerty » 16 Jul 2014, 03:25

Leader wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people
They believe in Tanach, so they believe in it.
Israelis do not believe, hebrews and jews do. Anyway, it does not have anything related to the topic...
Leader wrote:
No no and no... you definitely don't know what you're saying dude... Since beginning jews did not attack anyone, but protect itself from attacks and once again because muslim countries do not respect the ONU settlement of jewish people...
That's just what you think...
No, it's not what I think. It's what history says and you should know that as well.
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I bet that USA is "against" Israel... Oh yeah lol.
Not "against" but then condemned that attack.
Yes, of course. But it is a separated case... and it would happen with any nation apart from being Israel or not. Also, it's called diplomacy and foreign affairs so they have to do that to seem well to the world in general.
Leader wrote:
And once again, Israelis aren't attacking anyone... wow, it's incredible how they change all the discourse... What a propaganda... Do you know that they kill themselves in order to gain popular power as well right? No comments.
Over 165 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes since “Operation Protective Edge” began on Tuesday.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics ... -1.1865247

no no, of coruse not, they're not attacking anyone.

In total Isreal killed like 100x more Palestinians than Palestinians killed Israeli. No wonder why they are trying to revenge all the time. If your neighbor killed your mother, you'd try to kill him too... That's why this conflict will never end.
The difference between Israel and Palestine is that Israel has excellent defenses and technology to protect her civilians... This is the main reason for that; otherwise lots of jews would be dead as well. Hamas just launched 3000 rockets since then... But fortunately Iron Dome defenses of Israel has intercepted it successfuly. Also, as I said previously, did you know that Hamas put military bases near to the palestinians? So if Israel strikes hit it and hurt people, it is Israel's fault... and yet they don't even try to treat the hurt people because if they die it's better for them. Mona, this is a very known tactic at wars and it is alongside with desinformation... It serves primarily to gain popular supporters like you and lots of others worldwide, principally from journalists who can't study it in deep owing to the problems and conflicts in that region.
Leader wrote:In total Isreal killed like 100x more Palestinians than Palestinians killed Israeli. No wonder why they are trying to revenge all the time. If your neighbor killed your mother, you'd try to kill him too... That's why this conflict will never end.
True true... but also they don't count the ones that Hamas kill every day for themselves in the name of Allah...

Well, enough said.

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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 16 Jul 2014, 19:36

Israelis do not believe, hebrews and jews do. Anyway, it does not have anything related to the topic...
Did you notice that Israelis are jews?
Yes, of course. But it is a separated case... and it would happen with any nation apart from being Israel or not. Also, it's called diplomacy and foreign affairs so they have to do that to seem well to the world in general.
No, it is not the separated case. This conflict last for many years already, and the most important is who started it many years ago, not who continue it now. Also their behaviour to the other muslim countries proves that they're not "saint".
The difference between Israel and Palestine is that Israel has excellent defenses and technology to protect her civilians... This is the main reason for that; otherwise lots of jews would be dead as well. Hamas just launched 3000 rockets since then... But fortunately Iron Dome defenses of Israel has intercepted it successfuly.
Iron Dome intercepts only ~15% of all missiles, and only the missiles which target large cities. In case of massive attack it wouldn't be that cool.
Mona, this is a very known tactic at wars and it is alongside with desinformation... It serves primarily to gain popular supporters like you and lots of others worldwide, principally from journalists who can't study it in deep owing to the problems and conflicts in that region.
From what I know, 1-2 years ago Israel has bombarded Palestinian media buildings, radio stations, BTS, etc. Why? In my opinion media buildings are civilian buildings, and shouldn't be bombarded. Israel is sending SMS messages to Palestnians and developed a horrible propaganda system which is unacceptable by me.
True true... but also they don't count the ones that Hamas kill every day for themselves in the name of Allah...
Hamas is just a terrorist organisation, if they say that they do this "in the name of Allah" - it's not true. On the other hand Hamas should be destroyed, but not in the way Israel does it.

Ahh, about propaganda...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5T5CF1 ... WL&index=2
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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by lukwerty » 17 Jul 2014, 16:37

1. No, Isrelis aren't jews... to be honest there are more arabs israelis than jew ones.

2. No, Iron Dome intercepts practically all of them... you're absolutely saying what you don't have information about.

3. Lol... No? Where did you conclude that? And I'm not saying about media at all Im saying about tactics of wars. Oh yeah, Israelis are so "cruel"... http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/07/15/th ... -show-you/

4. LOL... alright, you completely don't know what you're saying... Nevermind, simply futile continue discussing with you about that now.

Here's the truth about Hamas... http://m.theatlantic.com/international/ ... ve/374342/

4. About propaganda... Let's go then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y&app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... 8feypRdXPz

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Re: Israel trying to destroy palestinians or palestinians against Israel?

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 17 Jul 2014, 17:46

2. No, Iron Dome intercepts practically all of them... you're absolutely saying what you don't have information about.
BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT AND ONCE MORE BULLSHIT.
http://www.tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-ze-swiat ... 49790.html
Google translation:
Israel Defense Forces announced that from Monday dawn into Israel from the Gaza Strip fired 100 rockets. 15 of them - those that threaten the inhabitants of the cities - shot down a missile defense system. The Iron Dome is not, however, protected the all. Two girls - 11 - and 13-year-old taken to hospital after one of the houses of Hamas rocket fell.
You have no idea what's the cost of a single anti-missile. It's obvious that only those danger for large cities are intercepted. I'm not saying that it's impossible to intercept all of them, but I'm saying which are intercepted. I'm the creator of the new Missile Defense System in Unofficial Patch 1.5 for EE2, so trust me - I know what I'm saying.
3. Lol... No? Where did you conclude that? And I'm not saying about media at all Im saying about tactics of wars. Oh yeah, Israelis are so "cruel"... http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/07/15/th ... -show-you/
Why are you so ironic?:
Oh yeah Aljazeera, an arab media... though there are many arabs who approve Israel.
And now you're posting a link to: jewsnews.co.il
4. LOL... alright, you completely don't know what you're saying... Nevermind, simply futile continue discussing with you about that now.
Said the one who wrote the most of bullshit I have ever read.
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