Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Player Googol under the alternative account [LGBTI]Alexmendoza (I can tell because his country shows as Czech Republic in lobby and he even admits it if you read the chatlog) and I was playing a 2v2 game against Prof. NOOB and kosta. I've provided the playback file below.

Before super nuking my army and economy (meaning 3 super ballistic missiles) and then resigning, which was bad enough, he didn't even make proper army to fight our opponents, meaning I had to fend off double attacks. But wait! That's not all...

Reading the chatlog is adding insult to injury: https://patch.ee2.eu/patch15/PlaybacksC ... BftewqtgWG

Googol was talking to Prof. NOOB behind my back, telling him how to attack me and even offering to send resources (which he did send a lot to Prof. NOOB). No wonder Googol said "Hope he wont watch playback". Well, if they thought I was dumb for not realizing the troll playing sooner, they're even dumber if they thought I'd let such behaviour slide (I say "they" meaning Googol and Prof. NOOB as they were talking to each other in chat, but the report is aimed solely at Googol as Prof. NOOB didn't technically break any rules.)

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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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The TPA - Team Protection Act is one of just 2 active Amending Acts in our community.

The following rules have been clearly broken:
xRedWonderx wrote: 11 Mar 2014, 04:15 $2.5 Players on the same team must not do intentional harmful nuclear attacks on neither an ally army nor building.

$2.6 Players on the same team must not give their army / buildings / territories / resources to the enemy without acceptance of all teammates.
I was going to issue the punishments now, but I read:
xRedWonderx wrote: 11 Mar 2014, 04:15 $2.11 How your case will be solved (with reference to $2.10)
- The Department of Control and Complaints will check if your report is consistent with the Act (especially with $2.10). If your report is incomplete, the Minister of the Department of Control will tell you what information you need to add/fix.
- The Topic with your case will be open for at least 7 working days. In this time every registered user of ~eW`~>FORUM should be able to comment / write posts in your topic.
- It's possible that any Minister will decide to create a poll to your topic, to know the opinion of Empire Earth 2 community.
- Within 7 days (maximum 10 days), the Department of Problems Between Players and Justice will decide about the warning or possible punishment for the player who broke the law (described in this Government Act). The punishment is lawfully regulated by the Department of Justice.
So it must be open for 7 days, and I can't decide in this case by the law... lol.

So OK, the report is reliable:
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The Department of Justice will decide about the punishment.

Unless the person who broke the act (Googol) wants me to decide faster, then please state it in this topic. Cases are forwarded to the Department of Justice to protect players from my cruel decisions, but if someone is fine with it, then I guess we could speed up the process.

BTW. The "7 working days" means 7 days in our community, because the Ministry is working 24/7.
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Dr.MonaLisa wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 02:06
Unless the person who broke the act (Googol) wants me to decide faster, then please state it in this topic. Cases are forwarded to the Department of Justice to protect players from my cruel decisions, but if someone is fine with it, then I guess we could speed up the process.

BTW. The "7 working days" means 7 days in our community, because the Ministry is working 24/7.
Yes, ok.
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Googol wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 02:10 Yes, ok.
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Kennet basically got what he was asking for:
An unfair game!

I was in obs position (as usual) and Kennet was spamming endless
"pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy"
towards my direction in order to make me play one of his unfair team settings,
which KennetRP is famous for:
Kennet&Googol vs. Kosta&N|o_o|B

Googol simply felt sorry for me I guess and tried not to go too hard (which at the end escalated a nuking bit),
until that it actually made it a more fair (longer lasting) game.

Googol actually deserves a special award for his creative ways of trying out new or funny strategies,
which inspire other average players like me.

We all know that Googol is by far one of the strongest players, if he plays seriously.
But it was not a serious game due to this unfair team constellation anyways.
Thus, it was turned into a "fun game to make a simple joke".
I know KennetRP takes this game very seriously,
but sometimes he should simply be able to give things like that a laugh instead.
I really enjoy to see his impovements & presence as a whole on the EE2 lobby,
but this report does not shine a bright light on KennetRP (in my opinion).
He should rather be embarrassed by his own unfair team settings.

As he himself would not play Googol&N|o_o|B vs. KennetRP&Kosta as offered afterwards.
"SHAME3"

P.S.: Even though Googol instantly took the punishment like a man, I still think it's too cruel!
I am asking for propation/parole instead!
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Thank you Gnoo for the valid feedback. I was actually aware of the situation and reasons of it as soon as I opened the report link.

I believe the Department of Justice would analyze the case more deeply, but Googol accepted my proposal to solve it "quickly".

As visible on: https://ee2.eu/government/#acts

We only have two active Amending Acts: Team Protection Act and Unofficial Patch 1.5 Act.
Only these two acts are currently accepted by downloading UP1.5, clicking "I agree" in the installer, etc.
We had the Scout Trick act before, but after UP1.5 update with the extra "no scout" option the act expired.

I don't want to become a philosopher here, but legally if some player read the rules (and the TPA act during installation), then expected that on the multiplayer community such things won't happen to him.

We can discuss cases like rules breaking, insults, and other stuff, but when a serious act is being violated, I, as one of the Ministers can't ignore it and consider all the reasons.

To be fair I have broken the TPA myself a few times. Also for fun. I expected that there might be some problems when I get reported, but thankfully it didn't happen.

The TPA act was created a while ago. It's rarely used in reports, but it is still active. I'm open for new proposals to update this act (by voting) or remove it completely, but this needs a separate topic, arguments and discussion. I would vote against removing it though, because it really helps keep the community more friendly than it used to be in the toxic years (2005-2012).

In this case, KennetRP used his rights to create a valid report. There's no doubt what happened, and the decision couldn't be different.

I can only recommend to make a revenge using the same weapon as Kennet, and if you consider his teams as unfair and being forced to play by the toxic taunts and spam, then also create a report with a few details. The Ministry has a lot of possibilities to make it stop (for example long-term ban from hosting games).
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Gnoo wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 03:37 Kennet basically got what he was asking for:
An unfair game!

I was in obs position (as usual) and Kennet was spamming endless
"pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy"
towards my direction in order to make me play one of his unfair team settings,
which KennetRP is famous for:
Kennet&Googol vs. Kosta&N|o_o|B

Googol simply felt sorry for me I guess and tried not to go too hard (which at the end escalated a nuking bit),
until that it actually made it a more fair (longer lasting) game.

Googol actually deserves a special award for his creative ways of trying out new or funny strategies,
which inspire other average players like me.

We all know that Googol is by far one of the strongest players, if he plays seriously.
But it was not a serious game due to this unfair team constellation anyways.
Thus, it was turned into a "fun game to make a simple joke".
I know KennetRP takes this game very seriously,
but sometimes he should simply be able to give things like that a laugh instead.
I really enjoy to see his impovements & presence as a whole on the EE2 lobby,
but this report does not shine a bright light on KennetRP (in my opinion).
He should rather be embarrassed by his own unfair team settings.

As he himself would not play Googol&N|o_o|B vs. KennetRP&Kosta as offered afterwards.
"SHAME3"

P.S.: Even though Googol instantly took the punishment like a man, I still think it's too cruel!
I am asking for propation/parole instead!
What Prof. NOOB fails to tell you is that he only went obs AFTER I set teams. Also, Googol was using the [LGBTI]Alexmendoza account, which I forgot was Googol, so my impression was that the teams were fair.

I find it rich that Prof. NOOB calls the teams I set unfair AFTER he was able to win a 2v3 game right before. Prof. NOOB and moyo (after Belarusian player Relaxmirclub lost connection) beat me, ruzbeh and kosta.

However, rusty me and kosta vs. Prof. NOOB and Googol would be even more unfair, so he's correct that I would refuse to play his suggested team settings. In retrospect, the most fair teams in my opinion would be Googol and kosta vs. Prof. NOOB and myself, though I bet Prof. would still go obs.

I think the punishment for Googol is reasonable considering the crime; 3 days ban for 3 nukes.
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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KennetRP wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 21:45 I think the punishment for Googol is reasonable considering the crime; 3 days ban for 3 nukes.
5 nukes, but I didn't count for the punishment.

The main issue is that the Team Protection Act should be treated as a Bible for Christians and Quran for Muslims.

The Ministry does not punish players ex-officio for breaking this act, but EE2 players have full rights to report players who break it. All the other things are not important.

A long time ago, when smurfing was possible, and EE2 was not powered by EE2.eu, there were players who would create new accounts, and bully certain players, for example by getting in their teams and then attacking them. Such behaviors potentially made some of good players quit the game after experiencing the toxicity. We don't really want it here. If somebody accepts such things done towards himself and laughes at them without filling reports, then it's not Ministry's business, but when somebody reports it, then we have no other choice than take the action.

As I mentioned earlier, insults / toxic behaviour and other things are not forbidden by any act (the only thing is a behaviour that harms the EE2 community defined in UNofficial Patch 1.5 Act). So when such things occur, the punishments may be soft or based on the full story and possible reasons. However, the Team Protection Act is written down, accepted by all players during the download / installation process, and we can not debate with it. The TPA was also not created by me, but by an ex-Minister of the Department of Justice, so it should be clear that I'm just following the things we invented years ago.

If you guys disagree with the TPA, you can always create a topic with an idea to remove or improve it.

EDIT:
Also I know that nobody is questioning TPA in this topic, I just want to make it clearer for the potential doubts.
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Dr.MonaLisa wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 22:03
KennetRP wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 21:45 I think the punishment for Googol is reasonable considering the crime; 3 days ban for 3 nukes.
5 nukes, but I didn't count for the punishment.
I stand corrected.
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Re: Reporting player Googol for nuking teammate with ballistic missile and then quitting

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Dr.MonaLisa wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 02:12
3 days multiplayer lobby ban.
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Permanent restriction to create new accounts (the existing accounts can still be modified by https://ee2.eu/multiplayer/accounts/ )
Unabnned today around 2:15.

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