ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

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Re: ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 01 Mar 2012, 22:40

Timo wrote:Lol people said to you "he insulted me, please ban him"? Wow xD
They're talking even more. They think Patch1.3 is Administrator or something. But in most they're asking: "Are you real?"
If someone PM to me next time, I'll post it on the forum to topic with "Funny quotes" xd
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Re: ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

Post by Deus » 01 Mar 2012, 22:46

Leader wrote:1. I wasn't "minusing" your posts with reputation system:
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So I don't understand why you gave me ~6 minuses. I understand all opinion, and I'm not giving negative reputation points for this.
If someone did it, then it wasn't me, but person who didn't agree with your post. But nvm now, it was just information.
It's still ridiculous and it looks like you're trying to control everything, you aren't the king of the lobby or the owner of ee2, we're just an active clan. Kicking someone because of stuff that has happened MANY YEARS should not happen. If they can't handle lobby fights then they should again just use the ignore button which is featured IN THE GAME. If they don't use the ignore button then it's their fault.

I also think kicking people because they insult just you is wrong.
If I was the "owner" of EE2 I wouldn't make topics like this. I would just do it. In this poll we can see actually, that more than 50% of players agree with this Act. It doesn't matter if they didn't write it here. Negative comments number means nothing, while 57% of players voted "YES - Allow".
Also you're keep talking about "kicking", and I told you like 10 times in this topic, that it's going to be "warning system" (which is already on the lobby for long time, just not automatic). Warning system ISN'T KICKING but is giving warnings/information that player should change his behavior. 4 warnings = 1 kick, and then list is resetted.

And stop talking about Ignore button. I don't need this shit, and I don't even care if someone's talking shit. But I have ~3 reports per day about "insulting" and that I should "ban someone". I wrote idea for act in the name of all players which are annoyed with behavior of shit-talking people.
And I agree with them. If you're going to talk shit, then do it somewhere else, not on the lobby which can be read by everyone.
Automatic warning system will solve all problems, that's why I voted "YES".
So you say there's no kicking but there acutally is, you said it in the same paragraph.. so like what? This whole thing is ridiculous you should have no right controlling what people say to others because they are old enough (hopefully) to handle it themselves. If they can't they can use the ignore button. I can bring it up as much as I want because it's true and you know it, the ignore button is the best solution to solving problems of trolls or spammers or flamers. I voted NO because it's ridiculous and gets rid of people's freedom to say what they want and it makes people rely on this system than manning up and defending themselves.
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Btw. I'm wondering if you guys are voting "NO" for this act (even when you didn't read it good), or just vote "NO" because of me? I think you just voted like "DEUS" because he's jealous that I'm making such things for EE2. I think you guys good know that this act isn't dangerous, but you're negative, just because I gave idea of this act. I understand if it was act about "kick" for insult... But it's ACT "warning" for cyberbullying, not for insult. As I said it will react on full sentences, not just words.
And just note: The most talkalive/negative people are players which aren't playing EE2, and doesn't know what's happens there. Of course you all have right to votes, but talking that "this act make players stop playing" is stupid while you guys are not on EE2 anymore, and you can't even imagine what's good for EE2 and what is not
Oh please..don't flatter yourself man, I'm voting no because this is stupid not because of "you". How the hell am I jealous of this? I think you're just picking at straws and am mad because I voted no for your plan and nobody else is speaking out like I am so you have to say I'm jealous and stuff.
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Re: ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 01 Mar 2012, 23:06

Maybe you're right. I don't like when someone don't agree with me, but for sure there is more people which voted "YES - Apply" than wrote in this topic. I think they're just scared to write that they want this act, because they know that all persons which are against this "ACT" will treat them as enemies. So they prefer to be silent than writing that it's good act.

You say about Ignore button, and I say that you can use Ignore button on BOT... It's almost same.
Also not all players knows about ignore button. I know many newbies which just don't know how to use it. Also when someone's using cyberbullying then in my opinion deserve to be punished (with warnings and eventual kick, if he don't stop). If there is 30 players on, they all are not going to ignore peron who talks shit... That's why something like ChatMonitor is needed.
On other games like StarCraft, BF3 for one bad word you're getting ban for 7 days...

Also ACBA has nothing to censoreshit, since all words like:
- you fu**ing noob
- you idiot
etc. will be still leggal. You should know difference between cyberbullying and just insults. I have nothing against insults, but if someone abuse it, then he makes it Cyberbullying and it NEED to be punished. If someone talks: "you son of a bitch" then it's insult of someone personally life. If someone say: "you are fag", then it's insult about someone's sexual orientation, and it deserve to be punished.
But if someone talks "you are stupid" then it's not cyberbullying, it's just insult, and for sure there is no reason for warning if someone say it.

Well maybe you guys are negative to this act, because of point:
$3.2 Insults list (may be changed)
Maybe you think I'll add more words when this act be accepted. But it's not true. I'm not going to add more than this, and if I'll add something then it can't broke point:
$3.5 Players won't receive warnings for popular words like "fu****g", etc. EE2-Patch1.3 will have special script which be detecting if word is insult (Cyberbullying) or not. EE2 Government will take care if none is getting warnings for no reason. If someone get warning for no reason his warning may be removed, and script be edited to solve problem.
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And btw. In my opinion EE2SA and GBSA is 100X more problematic than this act. But has been accepted in silence, and actually it did nothing wrong. It just helped a lot of times, for example with showing chat history in topics where it was needed.
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Re: ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

Post by Deus » 02 Mar 2012, 01:01

Leader wrote:Maybe you're right. I don't like when someone don't agree with me, but for sure there is more people which voted "YES - Apply" than wrote in this topic. I think they're just scared to write that they want this act, because they know that all persons which are against this "ACT" will treat them as enemies. So they prefer to be silent than writing that it's good act.

You say about Ignore button, and I say that you can use Ignore button on BOT... It's almost same.
Also not all players knows about ignore button. I know many newbies which just don't know how to use it. Also when someone's using cyberbullying then in my opinion deserve to be punished (with warnings and eventual kick, if he don't stop). If there is 30 players on, they all are not going to ignore peron who talks shit... That's why something like ChatMonitor is needed.
On other games like StarCraft, BF3 for one bad word you're getting ban for 7 days...

Also ACBA has nothing to censoreshit, since all words like:
- you fu**ing noob
- you idiot
etc. will be still leggal. You should know difference between cyberbullying and just insults. I have nothing against insults, but if someone abuse it, then he makes it Cyberbullying and it NEED to be punished. If someone talks: "you son of a bitch" then it's insult of someone personally life. If someone say: "you are fag", then it's insult about someone's sexual orientation, and it deserve to be punished.
But if someone talks "you are stupid" then it's not cyberbullying, it's just insult, and for sure there is no reason for warning if someone say it.

Well maybe you guys are negative to this act, because of point:
$3.2 Insults list (may be changed)
Maybe you think I'll add more words when this act be accepted. But it's not true. I'm not going to add more than this, and if I'll add something then it can't broke point:
$3.5 Players won't receive warnings for popular words like "fu****g", etc. EE2-Patch1.3 will have special script which be detecting if word is insult (Cyberbullying) or not. EE2 Government will take care if none is getting warnings for no reason. If someone get warning for no reason his warning may be removed, and script be edited to solve problem.
EDIT:
And btw. In my opinion EE2SA and GBSA is 100X more problematic than this act. But has been accepted in silence, and actually it did nothing wrong. It just helped a lot of times, for example with showing chat history in topics where it was needed.
I have no problem with you having a chat history, it helps when you need proof about what someone said. You made some good things but this one needs tweaks in order for it to work. I still won't vote yes even though you've made some good points this time. Besides the ignore button is rather big and gold, it's not hard to figure out.. I figured it out easily on my first time playing. You are kind of right though most people in the europe room can't speak english and aren't very smart (the noobs) it's always been that way. They don't know what host quits are or how to make army. That's why instead you should be pushing the FREE clan instead of this.
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Re: ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 02 Mar 2012, 01:09

You're right.
Well I totaly agree with your post this time Image

And yeah, I'm making "ideas" for acts when I'm bored... I probably should start to work on creatinon "Free Clan", due that it was idea accepted almost by everyone in clan... If comySS and Hornet didn't leave clan, we would have already Patron for them :/ But now it needs some time. I have to start work with BigBang soon.
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Re: ACBA - Anti-CyberBullying Act

Post by Dr.MonaLisa » 03 Mar 2012, 18:58

ACBA has been accepted with 59% of positive votes:
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Thanks for everyone who voted in the poll, and to everyone who showed his opinion about this act.
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